Update 10:33 A.M. EST: I normally do updates at the bottom of articles, but with how long the string of tweets was, I figured posting this up top made sense.
Murphy saw the article this morning, and pointed out that I missed a couple tweets at the beginning of the debate–if that’s what you want to call it.
@TimKelly_215 You skipped the first half of the convo. pic.twitter.com/PuUfi7FOpS
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
@TimKelly_215 followed by pic.twitter.com/YmacuThSk9
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
I made the mistake of trying to embed these tweets in the article, while the fight was going on live last night. That’s my mistake. That said, after going back and looking at some of the earlier replies, I see that while Banner went a bit too far in making his point about the NFL getting all the scrutiny about Rice (they deserve that), I still agree with his point about the media turning all the pressure onto the NFL, when they should have shouldered some of the responsibility too.
I still think after reading this, Banner’s point in the debate ended up being that the media needs to look in the mirror about the Rice issue, and I still agree with that. And that wasn’t directed at someone like Murphy, but rather national reporters like Jason LaCanfora, who also took exception with Banner’s early tweets.
Original Article
Former Eagles President Joe Banner, who has seemingly taken over Joel Embiid’s spot as the must-follow Twitterer (I just made that a word) in the Philly sports landscape, chose not to focus , but the mainstream media who afforded the NFL a pass for the original Ray Rice two-game suspension.
Where was the holier than thou media from Feb-July on Rice indignation. Where has the media been for yrs on this issue as abuse was rampant
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 19, 2014
If nfl stops 100% of nfl related abuse! but prosecutors don't prosecute and the media doesn't focus on acts and consequences nothing changes
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 19, 2014
The media to needs to blame and criticize others as it looks in the mirror. The prosecutor and legislators are still getting a pass on Rice
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 19, 2014
That seems like something to the effect of what I’d been saying. There were people on ESPN and Fox that were defending Roger Goodell when there was a public outcry about Rice only getting a two-game suspension, despite a video of him dragging his future wife’s unconscious body through a casino. But then, a video of Rice knocking his wife out surfaces, as if we didn’t already know that had happened, and there is this huge media outcry against Rice and Goodell. ESPN’s Hannah Storm is suddenly a visionary for ripping the NFL for its handing of the Rice case. CBS’ James Brown is all but nominated for an Emmy for stating the obvious about how men can’t hit women and that we need to reevaluate how we treat women.
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But without that second video ever being made public, we’d be getting ready for Rice to play tomorrow. And you can bet that no one in the “holier than thou media” would be going on any of those rants on the league. Why? Because they didn’t want to piss the NFL off. Unfortunately, it took the NFL seemingly losing all of the public’s trust for these companies to set their anchors free to rip the NFL, because ripping the NFL became the cool, profitable thing to do. In that sense, Joe Banner was absolutely right on. Frankly, in just about all of his viral tweets, Banner has been right. It kills me to say that about a man who let Brian Dawkins walk, but I give credit where it is due. David Murphy, who I normally like, was taken back by Banner’s tweets. Banner ripped the national media, and Murphy took that as ripping the local media and tried to somehow twist that as the public was being ripped by Banner and his arrogance.
@ByDavidMurphy That's not what I said, but its a good job at deflecting criticism. Your facts are also false. No surprise
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
.@ByDavidMurphy ignoring inaccuracies ?Just re-read what I wrote. obvious my point of 10 tweets is that DV should be getting more coverage
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 I'm still waiting for you to tell me exactly how much public money you used so I can correct the inaccuracy.
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
I’m still waiting to hear exactly what this has to do with the subject at hand.
.@ByDavidMurphy Don't throw stuff out if dont know if its true. So you agree with my point but you want to attack the messenger. Seriously ?
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 My source for the $188 mil figure was the feasibility study conducted by the city of L.A. in 2011. http://t.co/1CuPbE8yYt
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 I did not say I agree with your point. I said I choose not to argue your point. I chose instead to focus on your hypocrisy
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
Think an extra $2 mil/yr would help Cleveland social services? http://t.co/E8v5wgaNrf RT @JoeBanner13: I am fighting for more focus on DV.
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
@ByDavidMurphy under the lease the city may owe $100mil no less than 35. The team picked up almost all. Taxes generated covered the cities 2
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 I'm still waiting for your clarification on the @LAMayorsOffice study. Are they using faulty info to lobby for an NFL team?
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
@ByDavidMurphy not 1cent was put into the Eagles deal that wasn't less than the tax revenues generated by the stadium. Took 0 from services
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@ByDavidMurphy @JoeBanner13 I think his point is the lump sum paid by the city could've gone to services I stead of stadium.
— Will (@Orgophlax) September 20, 2014
.@Orgophlax @ByDavidMurphy again, we are only talking about new revenues that don't exist of not for the stadium
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@ByDavidMurphy @Orgophlax The city is making a PROFIT ! Many developments are revenue neutral. Philly almost bankrupt until Rendell did some
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 @Orgophlax Of course they are. But your argument that No Public $$ = No New Stadium = No New Revenue is just wrong
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 @Orgophlax No Public $$ = New Stadium = New Revenue = Higher Public Profit + Lower Private Profit
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
.@ByDavidMurphy Is your point there would have been a new stadium with no public money. R u as upset about ship yard, and hotels, navy yard
— Joe Banner (@JoeBanner13) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 Ding, ding, ding!!! Shipyard, hotels, navy yard not currently telling me the public focuses too much on them
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
But we know that the league screwed this up. We know that executives in the Ravens’ organization screwed this up. That’s become an obvious and tired narrative. But how badly the media has screwed this up hasn’t been given enough attention, and that was Banner’s point.
We can debate for hours whether or not the public should be asked to spend large sums of money on stadiums, but I’m not really sure how that became relevant to the subject. Banner was insulting the media, not the public.
In the end, Murphy sent Banner a previous article he had done on Rice, where he called out the public for acting blindsided about the second Rice video. Again, the media does a lot of thinking for the public (unfortunately), so most of that had to do with the media not doing their jobs, which Banner was saying all along. So, Murphy basically spent an entire night debating Banner on a topic that they weren’t that far from agreeing on. Why? Because Ruben Amaro, that’s why.
@JoeBanner13 Because it is more interesting than the baseball team I cover. You spent the night debating me without knowing what I wrote.
— David Murphy (@ByDavidMurphy) September 20, 2014
WIP’s Glen Macnow also took his shots at Banner.
@JoeBanner13 NFL takes all the oxygen in the room. You can't enjoy benefit of spotlight yr after yr and complain when it goes other way.
— Glen Macnow (@RealGlenMacnow) September 20, 2014
@JoeBanner13 We're all for that, Joe. And Eagles did good charitable work under you. But no NFL types should be pointing fingers right now.
— Glen Macnow (@RealGlenMacnow) September 20, 2014
Believe me, I’d love to rip Banner, but doesn’t it feel like we are trying too hard? Banner makes an accurate comment directed at the national media, and members of the Philly media need to take it personally? Let’s at least wait for him to say something questionable about the Eagles before we try to run him off Twitter. I’m actually enjoying seeing stuffy businessman Joe Banner become a loose cannon on Twitter.
